Saving the trails at Sprague

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4 years 6 months ago #44120 by kb voodoo
kb voodoo replied the topic: Re: Saving the trails at Sprague

Lucas wrote: are the trails really ready to ride for a race tonight?


Not even close.

60+ riders are going to do damage tonight....

.....but the guys holding the race are the same ones putting in a major effort to maintain and improve the trails, so I guess it's their call.

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4 years 6 months ago #44119 by Jon Sundquist
Jon Sundquist replied the topic: Re: Saving the trails at Sprague
Look, Greg knows the trails at Sprague as well as anyone. After I did the initial layout and proposal and then former and current presidents Kevin Preston and Ben Clauss shepherded it through the county approvals and set up the initial construction, Greg has really taken on the responsibility of keeping these trails in great shape and has spent a lot of time on his own out there doing maintenance. He cares more about these trails than anybody.

He was absolutely right to point out that sections like Creekside and Skunk dry out fast and were OK to ride after the rains stop. I always thought the Foote trails would be slow driers since they are flat and there's lots of swamps around there, but we have been pleasantly surprised at how dry it stays over there.

He is also right about being fatalistic that some people are still going to ride when it's wet. When I first started riding Hunters Creek in 1990, nobody else rode out there and I'd go no matter what the conditions were, because I didn't know any better. It took a year or two to realize it was not a good idea. There are some people like that out there still. It's a learning process.

I think the original conditions post that started this could definitely give the impression that it was OK to ride trails that were still very wet so long as you went straight through the wet spots (and going straight through the wet spots rather than widening the trail is excellent advice). It gave the impression to the casual reader of this forum that any and all trails are OK no matter the condition. However, I think this subsequent discussion does a good job in educating that casual reader that riding no matter the conditions is *not* a good thing, something most experienced riders already know.

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4 years 6 months ago #44118 by Lucas
Lucas replied the topic: Re: Saving the trails at Sprague
It might also be that the club sends mixed signals by promoting races rain or shine, but then discouraging the average user.

With all the rain over the last few days, are the trails really ready to ride for a race tonight?

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4 years 6 months ago #44117 by Lucas
Lucas replied the topic: Re: Saving the trails at Sprague
The original point seems to be that there are a lot of people who use the trails at Sprague Brook who have no contact with WNYMBA. They are going to use the trails no matter what is said on this forum.

Yes, WNYMBA builds and maintains the trails, but they are on county land and WNYMBA does not police the trails. They could have a more official trails open/closed policy that would include signs at the park. This happens in other areas, particularly in heavily ridden areas.

Individuals have different opinions about when a trail is ready to ride, so having an official policy can take some of the guess work out of it, but how realistic is that?

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4 years 6 months ago #44116 by adam
adam replied the topic: Re: Saving the trails at Sprague
I wrote Bike shop owner, which is not really what i should have written.

In my opinion, it doesn't have to be a bike shop owner's responsibility


I should have said WNYMBA officer.

Greg is our VP. now ? correct?

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4 years 6 months ago #44115 by boogenman
boogenman replied the topic: Re: Saving the trails at Sprague
I hate cleaning a muddy bike :-P

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