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4 years 4 months ago #44761 by irishman13
irishman13 replied the topic: Re: 6 Hours of Power

Jon Sundquist wrote: Again stepping back from the moderator role, I'd like to point out that races are fun, I love to do them, and efforts to complain about them only lead to divisions within the ranks of WNY mountain bikers.

I remind everyone that we can't take bicycle access to any trails for granted. The DEC or the county could revoke our access to local trails at any time if they get chewed up. We got access to them in the first place because we promised to keep them in good shape, and to design and construct them right in the first place so that only minimum maintenance is required. The state forests in Cattaraugus County are undergoing a master plan in 2014 that will determine future use and future trail development opportunities, so now is not a good time to take access for granted.

There are four ways to keep races from impacting our access to trails:

1. Don't have them. Now that would suck. Races are fun. And anyone can go out and promote a race so it's not like anyone in particular says "don't have any more races" anyway. So this option really doesn't make sense and doesn't work.

2. Have them only on bullet proof trails. This is like the Raccoon Rally which is held on double track (although it used some of our new singletrack this year). This only works for some areas, and isn't everyone's cup of tea for racing.

3. Have alternate courses available. This is almost always impossible to do. Back when WNYMBA used to put on races, we used to do this for the Roots, Rocks, and Ridges. We'd switch to more roads and skid trails rather than singletrack if it had been real wet. But most of the time, this is not a practical option.

4. Fix them up after the race. Mack has already committed to helping restore the trails after this year's 6HOP. It'll take a lot of work, but it's doable.

So there are definitely multiple sides to this. I'll probably be out there helping with the repair work, and it will probably be like the repair work after the last time we ran the Roots, Rocks, and Ridges, when the work day was beautiful and we'd all rather be out riding. But if the alternative is that there would be no more races, then this is the best possible scenario. We'll be working on scheduling the work days at the board meeting coming up next Monday . We all hope as many people, especially those that raced, can come on out and help.


Jon,

When are the equestrians and hikers going to be held accountable for trail damage they cause when they use the trails in poor conditions? Why is it always mountain bikers that are always threatened to lose trail access when the great people at WNYMBA have done far more trail maintenance and advocacy than other groups?

you just gotta give'r

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4 years 4 months ago #44760 by Jon Sundquist
Jon Sundquist replied the topic: Re: 6 Hours of Power

Painfulldischarge wrote: Come on tell the truth, you just came down to grab a couple 30 packs of Miller Lite because they're under $20US each.

Jon - This is a fact. Canadians will drive down for cheap, no GST, on beer for whatever excuse they can use, so my comment should not be moderated.


:D :D

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4 years 4 months ago #44759 by Painfulldischarge
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rprouse wrote: Painfuldischarge, I was out of bed, I was there, I just decided not to race because of the weather. Not because I couldn't take it, but because I didn't want to add to the damage. I've done plenty of races and have done my fair share of damage in the past in bad weather, but I would prefer not to if I can help it.


Come on tell the truth, you just came down to grab a couple 30 packs of Miller Lite because they're under $20US each.

Jon - This is a fact. Canadians will drive down for cheap, no GST, on beer for whatever excuse they can use, so my comment should not be moderated.

Buy the ticket, take the ride. -HST

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4 years 4 months ago #44758 by rprouse
rprouse replied the topic: Re: 6 Hours of Power
Well written Jon. I don't mean to be divisive and I came on a bit strong initially, but I think that we as a club need to discuss these things and work with the organizers to minimize our impact. It is good to hear that Mack has committed to helping out.

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4 years 4 months ago #44757 by rprouse
rprouse replied the topic: Re: 6 Hours of Power
Painfuldischarge, I was out of bed, I was there, I just decided not to race because of the weather. Not because I couldn't take it, but because I didn't want to add to the damage. I've done plenty of races and have done my fair share of damage in the past in bad weather, but I would prefer not to if I can help it.

You said that it is "Best to ride, repair, repeat." Sure, I agree with you, but I haven't seen the repairs except for the few that WNYMBA has done.

I also know very well how little race organizers make and that they do it for the love of the sport. I really appreciate what they do and how little thanks they get. I just think that there has to be a line and I think it was crossed last weekend.

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4 years 4 months ago #44756 by Jon Sundquist
Jon Sundquist replied the topic: Re: 6 Hours of Power

Painfulldischarge wrote: weak...Skidder gets to post whatever he wants.

I think skidder holds the record for the most moderated posts. By definition, you don't see them!

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