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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44120

Lucas wrote:
are the trails really ready to ride for a race tonight?

Not even close.

60+ riders are going to do damage tonight....

.....but the guys holding the race are the same ones putting in a major effort to maintain and improve the trails, so I guess it's their call.
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44119

Look, Greg knows the trails at Sprague as well as anyone. After I did the initial layout and proposal and then former and current presidents Kevin Preston and Ben Clauss shepherded it through the county approvals and set up the initial construction, Greg has really taken on the responsibility of keeping these trails in great shape and has spent a lot of time on his own out there doing maintenance. He cares more about these trails than anybody.

He was absolutely right to point out that sections like Creekside and Skunk dry out fast and were OK to ride after the rains stop. I always thought the Foote trails would be slow driers since they are flat and there's lots of swamps around there, but we have been pleasantly surprised at how dry it stays over there.

He is also right about being fatalistic that some people are still going to ride when it's wet. When I first started riding Hunters Creek in 1990, nobody else rode out there and I'd go no matter what the conditions were, because I didn't know any better. It took a year or two to realize it was not a good idea. There are some people like that out there still. It's a learning process.

I think the original conditions post that started this could definitely give the impression that it was OK to ride trails that were still very wet so long as you went straight through the wet spots (and going straight through the wet spots rather than widening the trail is excellent advice). It gave the impression to the casual reader of this forum that any and all trails are OK no matter the condition. However, I think this subsequent discussion does a good job in educating that casual reader that riding no matter the conditions is *not* a good thing, something most experienced riders already know.
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44118

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It might also be that the club sends mixed signals by promoting races rain or shine, but then discouraging the average user.

With all the rain over the last few days, are the trails really ready to ride for a race tonight?
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44117

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The original point seems to be that there are a lot of people who use the trails at Sprague Brook who have no contact with WNYMBA. They are going to use the trails no matter what is said on this forum.

Yes, WNYMBA builds and maintains the trails, but they are on county land and WNYMBA does not police the trails. They could have a more official trails open/closed policy that would include signs at the park. This happens in other areas, particularly in heavily ridden areas.

Individuals have different opinions about when a trail is ready to ride, so having an official policy can take some of the guess work out of it, but how realistic is that?
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44116

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I wrote Bike shop owner, which is not really what i should have written.
In my opinion, it doesn't have to be a bike shop owner's responsibility

I should have said WNYMBA officer.

Greg is our VP. now ? correct?
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44115

I hate cleaning a muddy bike :-P
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44114

Roger that.

I just wanted to make sure GH wasn't being lumped into that category. I know it's not the most popular spot to ride, but it gets more traffic than most people think.
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44113

I am thinking way out of the way stuff like in Allegheny National Forest in PA. There are trails down there that get just about no use and no harm would come to them if ridden while wet.

Or even some of the logging skid trails in the state forests, such as the ones that the Roots, Rocks, and Ridges race used to be rerouted onto when there was a lot of rain before or during the race back when WNYMBA used to run this.

The other alternative is looking for trails on sandy ground.

Last weekend, some people rode Dryer park in Victor. That park is built on soil that is primarily sand and so it doesn't get muddy. We don't have any parks like that in Erie or Cattaraugus Co.

Ontario, north of Burlington has a lot of sandy soil that is ridable in any conditions. I remember going up for the IMBA epic at Mansfield before it was closed to the public. Raining the whole way, but by the time I got to Mansfield, there weren't even any puddles anywhere and the trails were dry as a bone.
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44112

Jon Sundquist wrote:
unless we are talking about trails that get essentially no use

I'm curious to know which trails in the local system qualify for this.
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Re: Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44111

moved.

In my opinion, it doesn't have to be a bike shop owner's responsibility (although the verizon analogy doesn't make much sense. There's a lot more you do with a phone than talk on it and drive. MTB bikes really are only for riding on trails. Oh, and btw, verizon does educate its users about safe driving habits: aboutus.verizonwireless.com/commitment/safety_security/ )

I believe it is most definitely is WNYMBA's responsibility to educate riders not to ride when it is going to damage trails, unless we are talking about trails that get essentially no use.

But then again, that's my opinion, and opinions here on the forum don't necessarily represent WNYMBA.
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Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44110

I would assume these posts will be getting moderated soon enough (and understandably so) on this thread. Could these posts be moved onto a new more appropriate thread?
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Saving the trails at Sprague 2 years 2 months ago #44109

Is it Verizon's responsibility to educate new cell phone users on safe driving techniques. Or Big box stores responsibility to educate customers on how to safely ride that 149.99 mountain bike?

I think stores have enough to worry about without the possibility of offending customers on what could have been a slow day. Yeah shops can try, but they really can't get too preachy. People are going to do what they are going to do. Is it the shops responsibility to educate on warring helmets on trails (and open up that can of worms)?
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