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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12508

Thanks Justin for your great description! I think we will skip the initial climb like you said.

So you say it's comparable? Hilton is the only place around here that we ride in wet weather because it drains so well and its mostly rock!

We do love technical trails. Our Bent Rim Trail up at Hilton is definitely for a specific breed of rider. :twisted: Believe it or not, myself and a few people in our group have cleaned entire trail without a dab.

I built up a new SC Nomad this year and put 2.35 Kenda Nevegal rear and Blue Groove front on it, with the Stik-ee compound. I'm still amazed at what I can get away with on these tires! Slippery roots, rocks etc. are no match for these tires, highly recommended!

Thanks!
phil
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12507

A group of us rode at Hilton Falls and Kelso Rec Area about a month ago; it rained almost the whole time we were riding, but still provides a good comparison to Eville. The climb up Holiday or Holimont is longer than Kelso and a little steeper, but to do it once is not really a big deal but I would probably just park up on top the hill so you can focus on the better trails. Most of the trails are rolling with some decent sustained climbs and descents, nothing really steep but tiring enough. It is not flat like Hilton and Kelso are, much more hills.

Some trails are very technical, so if thats what you like make sure to ride Pale Ale, Rim, Bent Rim, and the White trail (FLT). That Bent Rim trail at Hilton proved more difficult for me than our Bent Rim because the rocks are even worse (read: more jagged and less rideable) but I think you will enjoy ours.

P.S. Jon, or anyone else, if you are having issues with slippery roots and rocks, then you should try some sticky rubber tires. I have been running the Maxxis Minions 2.35 Super Tacky and they stick so well that I no longer worry about roots and rocks, wet or dry. I only have to slow down a little bit on some sections when its wet, but rarely have I unexpectely washed out. I can say that I will never use anything but sticky or dual tread compound tires from now on.
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12503

We’re normally used to doing climbs of around 400 to 500 feet up the Niagara Escarpment… so no worries about climbing for us! The only thing I was wondering was if there are steep ups and downs (a la Mansfield) or is it mostly rolling when you get to the top? I can see from the topo map that most of the climbing is done up the ski slope… I think?

Jon, our group is from Dundas, Ontario (Hamilton basically). Do you guys do much riding in Ontario? We have a few areas here that are virtually unrideable after rain (clay based), I will stay tuned on this board to see how much in fact it rains tomorrow! It won’t be fun covering that much distance if the trails are really wet.

Thanks
phil
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12502

philshep wrote:
So hypothetically speaking lets say it rains but not downpours. Are these trails susceptible to rainfall or do they drain out well?
What part of Ontario are you from? They are definitely not like the sandy conditions like at Mansfield, but they are better than the Till-type soil in Erie County and the Niagara Peninsula.

We had to spend a 20-person work day repairing trails after holding the Roots Rocks and Ridges race the day after a heavy rain.

Also, I rode Monday after last weekend's rain. The trails were fine (moist, not wet), but a whole lot less fun because every root and rock was like an ice rink.

Especially since it is late in the season and this week has been good drying, I wouldn't tell anyone not to ride. WE held the RR&R the day after Hurricane Isabel in 2002 and things turned out fine. But personally I would wait, if nothing else because you can't have as much fun due to the slippery roots and rocks.
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12501

philshep wrote:
Just wondering, when you reach the top of the ski resort, how much climbing is there for the rest of the ride? Is it mostly rolling or steep ups / downs?


If you are attempting "Ed's Annual Epic Insanity Ride", I would hope Big Merlin or the hills after climbing up from the training center would be of little concern to you.

If you have to park up top, maybe a 30+ ride is too far. Not busting here, but many people from out of town, bite off more than they can chew, and injuries or getting lost results. Just be careful out there!

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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12500

So hypothetically speaking lets say it rains but not downpours. Are these trails susceptible to rainfall or do they drain out well?

I will definitely bring the trail map, but I don’t have a GPS unit (yet… the Garmin 205 is looking quite tasty :D )

I LOVE technical. This ‘Bent Rim’ trail sounds exciting. We have a Bent Rim trail at a place we ride (Hilton Falls) that is pretty heinous.

Just wondering, when you reach the top of the ski resort, how much climbing is there for the rest of the ride? Is it mostly rolling or steep ups / downs?

Thanks
phil
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12498

philshep wrote:
What’s ‘Big Merlin’? Now you’ve got me afraid, I’m terrified of gnomes :lol:
Big Merlin is one of the more tame trails we built (but still technical enough). But because of this, one is tempted to go pretty fast on it, so in the end it becomes more dangerous.

I always laugh (or get frustrated) when I hear land managers or trail advocates say MTB trails have to be wide and smooth for safety reasons. The safest trail is a super technical rocky and twisty trail!
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12497

The trails are well marked, but be sure to bring your MAP and perhaps a compass or GPS. If you are not familiar with the area its possible to get turned around.
I am going to try to make it down Monday if there is 36 hrs for the place to dry out. I will be riding south from the tower..
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12496

Wow! Thanks for the quick responses! Thank you Geoff and Jon for the map link. I will be watching the weather hourly on Saturday night with my fingers crossed. If anyone local can post any bad weather tomorrow in the E-Ville area that would be awesome.

What’s ‘Big Merlin’? Now you’ve got me afraid, I’m terrified of gnomes :lol:

So if we’re not from around there, are the trails well marked? I don’t want to be doubting myself 20 miles into a ride :shock:

Thanks again,

phil
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12495

If you guys ride Big Merlin - keep a look out for that gnome that caused my crash!

Hey - I also heard from Mack that someone got hurt badly running on Big Merlin too... crazy eh?
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Re: Ellicottville Conditions 9 years 10 months ago #12494

I was just about to post that exact same link.

That link was in response to this thread:

http://www.wnymba.org/viewtopic.php?t=1986

Note, Hurricane Ernesto is scheduled to flood the area on Saturday, so it might be better to wait a week. Conditions are great right now, but...

That's why a night ride is scheduled for this evening at 8 PM. That will probably be pretty epic if you can make it.
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Check this out 9 years 10 months ago #12493

You might want to try this ride, it's similar to the IMBA Epic.

[url:223ezkl8]www.wnymba.org/viewtopic.php?t=1989&highlight=eds[/url]

I usually park by the by the tower on Mutton Hollow Rd. Take RT 242 to Whig Street, then make that sharp left onto Mutton Hollow Rd. follow the dirt road up to the tower. If you want to aviod the training center hill.
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