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Latest Hunters Conditions
I rode it last week before the rain and it was dry. So it can happen. It is wet there because of seeps from further up the hill. This is due to the seasonal perched water table that is discussed in the soil mapping for this area. The perched water table usually dissapates by the end of May. But now, it is still there so when it rains hard like last Staruday, the water ends up in the seeps.
One thing we can do is to get the organic material off the trail and try to get down to the mineral soil (i.e. get the black stuff off and get down to the light brown stuff). Once the mineral soil dries up, water sheets over it and it is ridable sooner after rain. This of course also means that there is good run off on the downhill side. The good thing about this trail is that there almost always is a good outslope.
Got out last night and for the most part trails were great. Started out on all the stuff I knew would be dry and it was bone dry, except for a couple of low spots. So then I decided to try the snaky up and down trail on the other side of the creek from Mirkwood, even though the end of this trail towards the pipeline gets a lot of seepage from up above. Sure enough, it was an ugly muddy mess the closer I got to the pipeline. So stick to the stuff you know is dry for the next couple of days until things dry out.
Trails are driest they've been in about three years. Even trails from the lower lot are dry. I guess they are talking rain this weekend, so try to get out Friday evening for as much riding as you can squeeze in.
Little tavern in Wales or else where?
Glad to see you've encountered the HC enigma, you can ride and ride on great trails (dry)and then hit a mud hole or two. Eventually we will get a bunch of re routes done there
Rode Hunter's 'Mudfest' Creek on 5/4/05...many spills due to slippery deep mud...good practice for getting out of clips fast though, though I wasn't always fast enough ! ugh...overall there are some decent sections so I wouldn't totally avoid it, just get in a dirty frame of mind first ) That little tavern nearby has some nice post-ride relaxation potential too ! excellent wings also...but I suspect everybody knows of this place already...
new member from Youngstown
(sorry for the cross post...)
A little background on Spring Hunters Creek Conditions. As posted elsewhere , Conditions are great in E-ville. Get out and ride for some of the best April riding for a long time!
Hunters is a completely different story. While some trails may be drying out, like the pink trail I would suspect, the geology isn't in our favor in April.
The Ellicottville area is the northern fringe of the only zone of New York State that escaped the last glacial period (technically, this region only reaches up to about Mutton Hollow road). This means that that area (even Big Merlin, which is north of Mutton Hollow road) didn't get covered by glacial till. Glacial till is densely compacted soil that doesn't drain well. The lack of till combined with lots of good slopes means drainage is great in E-ville and the riding is good.
Hunters got it's share of glacial till, however. The soils at Hunters are actually quite good for trails in many areas of the park. The clay in the till is very cohesive and sets up well into a good durable surface once it dries. The key is "once it dries". The USDA soil survey describes soils at Hunters that have a very high seasonal water table, meaning that until May, water just won't drain through the soils at Hunters, and the trails will remain soaked. Just let them dry come May, and they will set up solid. Even hiking on them is bad this time of year, as it disrupts the soil structure as it is drying.
As soon as it is dried out, all the trails that have some good slope to them shed water like a teflon pan which is why the riding at Hunters is so good in June through Sept. I can't wait until then.
Except I will, and meantime I'll be riding in E-ville!
Does any body know the latest conditions of Hunter's Creek? Are the upper trails dry? Will there be issues with organizing rides on the WNYMBA web site? Has anybody had any problems with the parking lot?
Rode late Friday afternoon (9/24) El Perfecto, it doesn't get any better than this! Rode the Upper FLT (9/26) Fantastic conditions. Did find a sink hole though which must be qiucksand. There is a downhill section heading back South before you turn due North West to cross the ravine that appears to go straight (even has an orange marker and lots of tires tracks in the sink hole so it made sense but I wasn't familiar with the turn) the whole bike dropped in right up past the hubs and stops like you threw out an anchor. I was laughing my a@# of.
Great conditions if you like falling. Pretty wet and washed out here and there, but still assloads of fun. Took a rookie with me. He must have spilled 10 times, but came up laughing until the final few. Going again tomorrow and will report. It should be a lot better as it's been drier of late.
Yup, things were great up to about now. Rode both Sunday and Monday and had a couple of the best rides of the year. Now they are forecasting 3-5 inches of rain through Thursday
Mirkwood needs a lot of work, but there is a lot of rock nearby to fix up the problem spots. The section north of the picnic table is one of the very original trails in the park and is part of the reason it is so wide. There are reroutes on this put in a few years back in two spots, but the folk(s) who did it did not reclaim the old trail (other than putting a few branches down) so it looks wide/braided there. The reroutes are actually holding up well, though. This is a route worth saving, though, only because of the lack of other north-south connectors as you mention.
The other part of the "F" loop is in fact one of the best trails in the park (if short, though). The entrance off the pipeline is pretty overgrown this year, but this is an exceptional year for such growth. That is where the old well was BTW (someone was asking about that). It is all filled in with stones, now.
Rode 9/2 and the trails were great, Jon I agree Mirkwood is beat up but for lack of a North/South connector it gets a lot of pressure.
I actually tried the "F" trail (speaking of a connector to the pipe line) starting at the picnic table and can't imagine why this trail isn't permittely closed! It's triple wide and getting worse. Rode the "F" loop and there wasn't a single tire track, this is a fun loop if it were maintained, (and a way to get there) but is badly overgrown in areas so I got pretty tore up in the pricker bushes and thorns.
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