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TOPIC: Latest Hunters Conditions

Went riding Saturday, Sept 18th... 10 years 8 months ago #6703

Great conditions if you like falling. Pretty wet and washed out here and there, but still assloads of fun. Took a rookie with me. He must have spilled 10 times, but came up laughing until the final few. Going again tomorrow and will report. It should be a lot better as it's been drier of late.

Kendog
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 8 months ago #6577

Yup, things were great up to about now. Rode both Sunday and Monday and had a couple of the best rides of the year. Now they are forecasting 3-5 inches of rain through Thursday :evil: :evil:

Mirkwood needs a lot of work, but there is a lot of rock nearby to fix up the problem spots. The section north of the picnic table is one of the very original trails in the park and is part of the reason it is so wide. There are reroutes on this put in a few years back in two spots, but the folk(s) who did it did not reclaim the old trail (other than putting a few branches down) so it looks wide/braided there. The reroutes are actually holding up well, though. This is a route worth saving, though, only because of the lack of other north-south connectors as you mention.

The other part of the "F" loop is in fact one of the best trails in the park (if short, though). The entrance off the pipeline is pretty overgrown this year, but this is an exceptional year for such growth. That is where the old well was BTW (someone was asking about that). It is all filled in with stones, now.
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 8 months ago #6571

Rode 9/2 and the trails were great, Jon I agree Mirkwood is beat up but for lack of a North/South connector it gets a lot of pressure.
I actually tried the "F" trail (speaking of a connector to the pipe line) starting at the picnic table and can't imagine why this trail isn't permittely closed! It's triple wide and getting worse. Rode the "F" loop and there wasn't a single tire track, this is a fun loop if it were maintained, (and a way to get there) but is badly overgrown in areas so I got pretty tore up in the pricker bushes and thorns.
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 8 months ago #6503

Rode out there tonight. Bike came back cleaner than it went out. Trails in good shape that I rode (sticking to the well drying ones). Only Mirkwood seems to have been taking a beating since I last rode here in mid July (I'm sure some of the poor draining stuff looks ugly).

If is doesn't rain tonight or tomorrow, you'll be doing youself a disservice if you don't get out there tomorrow night!
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 9 months ago #6415

-HC Trails were great on 8/19, murkwood was in its best shape all year. I did see a couple of amateurs flopping down devils backbone a couple times. I think they were going straight to thier chiropractor.
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 9 months ago #6367

Rode Hunter's Sunday 8/15 and all the trails were in pretty good shape. Puddles here and there but not too much squishy stuff. The swamp was swampy but even Murkwood was in good shape. Watch out for the slimy creek bottom if you come off the goat trail and down to the creek. Crossing is dicey. There is a pretty good washout on the pink trail to the west of the service road. It sneaks up on you and will eat you and your bike if you don't see it.
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 9 months ago #6327

Rode at HC Sunday 8/8 and is drying, (that's after 4 days of no rain) but still have to stick to the known dry trails. Mirkwood has taken a beating this year and is the only North bound trail that can be used other than the hardened road, but most riders seem to be riding down the center of trails so they aren't getting wider, just deeper.

I dug out a couple of rocks that were acting as a dam and dug a little channel to give the uphill flow of water a place to go downhill. The more I ride there the more I see how in effective and actually detrimental flat rocks are in low seeps or drainage area's. Of course thanks to IMBA's school, we all know that now.

A couple of people there asked me when the next trail work day is there.
Any plans yet John?
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 10 months ago #6168

Rode HC Thurs night after work- dry trails dry- wet trails wet- some really wet-actually walked a ways on one as it was too wet to ride (near pipeline)
Don't ask me what one- we just wander aimlessly.

Penguin
Mommy- theres a root on the trail! Make it go away! I want my Binkie
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 10 months ago #5989

Thanks for the update Kevin. I was at the movies Sunday evening during the storm, so didn't know how much rain came. I guess we got less around here than up in Buffalo. Things were pretty good tonight, although flat stuff still wet in many places. Pray for the T-storms to miss us tonight and tomorrow.
I don't think that the emergency access road will hurt any single track unless I'm misunderstanding and you might mean the dotted line you have above (J) which is an unmarked trail now. Because below that (intersection) to the parking lot is nothing but a wide road mess.

North of the intersection, the rescue "road" would switchback to the east of what you are describing. After that, it would follow the route of the FLT since that is the only route that doesn't follow boundaries.
No there isn't any signage for the Eagle Scout project trail "J" and IMHO isn't all that well marked on the South side of the loop
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The Eagle scout trail is actually N, which is a self contained loop, although currently, there is a dowhill trail entering it from the muddy boundary trail shown as a gray dash.

Note, the map isn't quite correct in that J and N start out together, and then split. I'll have to fix that.
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 10 months ago #5987

Boy was I bamboozled by the rain we received in the Northtowns on Sunday night (7/4), I was planning on riding HC Monday (7/5) but figured record rains would make it impossible. So I thought I would hike the lower / Eastern part instead and check in on the new Tranquility trail (N).

Boy was I wrong , and no bike in the bike rack :( . It was easily rideable conditions. To bad (N) is for Horses and Hikers only now (even though there are bike tracks there, but no signs so can't blame anyone for not noing) it's a nice lttle loop. The second stone crossing put in place during IMBA's visit heading up the trail on (J) is history and is now a 3 foot deep pile of washout material (limbs, stones, leaves etc.). I hiked the (N) loop and then (J) up to the pipeline and (M) back around to (J) and back down, and did a small section of Corduroy so not all was lost for not having the bike.

Jon, glad to hear your comments about (C) & (H) I tried to ride it last week including what you have as dashed lines and swore never to try it again, which is what I swore to do last year. It reminded me of your description of Golden Hill which you said had great "flow", there ain't no flow to (C) and a great part of (H) thats for sure.

I don't think that the emergency access road will hurt any single track unless I'm misunderstanding and you might mean the dotted line you have above (J) which is an unmarked trail now. Because below that (intersection) to the parking lot is nothing but a wide road mess. It appears that the the Wales Fire dept drove a vehicle up that road for the biker that was airlifted and they have every right todo so. It really shouldn't be used as a trail but I counted 50 bike tire tracks through some of the mud holes. Unfortunately when most come to the lower lot for the first time there is no signage and they all head up that road which is the first visible access they see instead of the North end of the lot for the (J) trail.

No there isn't any signage for the Eagle Scout project trail "J" and IMHO isn't all that well marked on the South side of the loop.

Boy it would be nice to have another FOHC meeting with the county and get back on track.
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 10 months ago #5962

Thanks Jon. The map was helpful. Hunter's Creek was very dry today (driest I've seen it in the past year)...I recommend everyone who's thinking of going to go before it rains on Sunday evening! From the new parking lot to the access road, I tried the pink trail, upper and lower red trails, srgt marks, and yellow. All were in primo condition.

Also, a quick "Thank You" to Santa Cruz John who took me out on the lower red trail today. I had a blast --- and don't worry about my chin, I'll heal...it was only 10 stitches!!!! :-D D

Carpe Velo,
ted
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Re: Latest Hunters Conditions 10 years 10 months ago #5944

Getting trails marked and maps out is something I've wanted to see for a long time. This goes back to the Friends of Hunters Creek planning sessions back before the master planning phase. See the old minutes (and my old comments!) hereand here (formating seems to have gotten screwed up in the lounge conversion - I'll have to fix that someday).

Until things get OK'ed by a county-run FOHC meeting, no trail markings and maps etc. can be officially distributed. I am diasppointed that momentum on this has been lost. I am guessing that the city parks take over is taking a lot of their attention. I don't want to get upset with Jasinski since it is thanks to him that this park is now open to the public. But I hope this process can start up again.

In the meantime, I've gone ahead anyway and put up a provisional map here on the web site (link here) that shows most of the trails, and meets the requirement of the master plan to show fewer trails on the map. Actually, all trails are shown, but many are shown as very faint grey dashes.

The highlighted trails are just a stab (my stab) at designating trails that make sense to infrequent park users. Most of these are pretty sustainable too (but not all!). The highlighted trails also excludes for the most part boundary trails which are to be closed according to the master plan.

I arbitrarily lableled trails A through N. Since these trails were never officially named, everybody has their own favorite names for the trails, so I would tend to stay away from calling them specific names. The colors don't necessarily correspond to any blazing scheme. And there is currently more than just one, say, "blue" or "green" trail, so those designations don't mean anything.

None of this answers your question - it just explains why it is hard to answer it.

But I'll take a stab at explaining what is the good stuff. First of all, you don't need to park along the road at Centerline and Vermont Hill anymore. There is a new parking lot on Centerline just west of the bridge. Park there.

To stay on dry trails, I do loops - different ones every time (this is what is good about the many trail intersections at Hunters Creek!) that primarily include sections of the trails marked as A, B, D, J (only south of the pipeline, and the portion near wetland HO-3 is also slow drying), L and K (super dry and fun trails that hardly anybody rides!) and G. M is good too, but a little slower drying at its lowest point.

E and the section of F north of the pipeline are also on the greatest hits list. However, E is slower drying east of the creek (here it is known as Mirkwood to many, and is wetter than usual this year), and the east side of the creek is fun now but is so poorly laid out in sections that it will be trashed within a couple of years). F north of the pipeline is one of the nicest sections in the park, but getting to it, including sections marked F south of the pipeline are flat-ground wet spots.

I used to ride C and H more, but these are poorly laid out with lots of fall line sections. It is sad to see how what happens to unsustainably desinged trails. I much prefer the narrow stuff myself. E west of the creek will look like these trails in a few years if something isn't done.

Much of the trail mileage north of the pipeline on the east side is very super wet, at least until you get to where ground gets slopy (not sloppy!) again. Some parts are dry, but there are way too many 20-foot wide braided sections here. The master plan calls for there to be a hardened rescue-ATV accessible trail from the lower parking lot to the pipeline. This will wipe out some single track, which is bad. However, much singletrack has already been wiped out through trail widening. Trail N is the hiking-only trail called for by the Master Plan. An eagle scout did some work on this spring to prep it for this purpose. I don't think any signage has gone up yet, though.

Remember, this map is just my stab at a way to keep people from getting lost in the park, and to keep people on the drier trails. There's nothing official about it. If enough people don't llike I'll take it down. But many people would like to get a map of this place.
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